Saturday, April 22, 2006

idol discussion

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Friday, April 21, 2006

Not just dumb...but dull Duet 4

15 Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: 16 Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female, 17 The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air, 18 The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth: 19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
I just don't understand the desire to worship a graven image.... we say that today we have idols but they are things like the cares of the world, our jobs, etc... so why wouldn't they have similar idols...why make an actual character... nowadays I can only think of the example of maybe the Catholic churchhaving statues... but am I missing something? what still is so appealing about a graven image that they'd choose it over God? (besides you made it yourself and it doesn't respond or anything)

the most used book in the world...

the billboard read... advertising the ywllow pages... tells us our priorities doesn't it...the most unused book in the world........

Wednesday, April 19, 2006

hard to keep up on any type of bible study on blogging time contraints

Todays readings:

I had a question about why it was only 38 years not 40....

Duest 2:
14 And the space in which we came from Kadeshbarnea, until we were come over the brook Zered, was thirty and eight years; until all the generation of the men of war were wasted out from among the host, as the LORD sware unto them.


but then it was pointed outto me that that was just how long it took them to die off.

Nnte to self to a study on Seir






in my mind I bolded, higlighted and JUMBO PRINTED
Proverbs 29

11 A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards.






Not from readings today but it was something that I thought about....a few nights ago but forgot to mention I'm not seeming very capable of blogging all the Bible study stuff because it alone takes a lot of time..

John - Chapter 17

Jhn 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:


Jhn 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.



-eternal life not given to everyone




Jhn 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


not everyone will know



Jhn 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.


Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.


If it is true which I believe it is that Christ didn't pre-exist... then the Bible should clearly say so... this appears to say otherwise... so I'll have to spend time in the word with an honest heart to see what is really being said.

Jhn 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.


Jhn 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.


Jhn 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.


Jhn 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
which makes me think even more that that verse on teh cross isn't really true because first why would he pray to forgive people who knew not what they did when he doesn't give blanket approval to everyone and also they weren't forgiven so it'd be an unanwered prayer hmmmm


Jhn 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.


Jhn 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].

however Christ (our example) was one with God is the same what that we are to be one

Jhn 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

what scripture is this?



Jhn 17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.


Jhn 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

in this sense he is saying that however he isn't o f the world we are the same way so he isn't referring to a celestial preexistance here

Jhn 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.


Jhn 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.


Jhn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.


Jhn 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.


Jhn 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. again christ showing himself as an attainable example not that we can be sinnless but that we can sanctify ourselves throught eword


Jhn 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;


Jhn 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.


now we can't be a trinity soooo in whatever way Jesus was one witht he Father... that is hwo we should be one...

Jhn 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:


Jhn 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.


Jhn 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.


I would think that its true that its Gods foreknowledge and plan that is mentioned here but I don't want to add my own words-- here it simply says that God loved him before the foundation of the world.
Jhn 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.


Jhn 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare [it]: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Friday, April 14, 2006

more opportunities

so i dropped off some hymn books with RIck last night at my pre vious church and i talked wtih a girl about my age who just had a son too- anyway long story short she ended up asking what religion i was i todl her basics sh e said she agreed wiht a lot of that and she was a baptist too! my eyeballs almost popped out of my head!
but i'm sure my grandma's did because i was explaining this to her in the church basement during the refreshments of their fellowship meeting right by a slew of preachers--


RIck wanted to stay and talk to the guys about stuff but we had to go and then i asked val if my grandpa thought itd be okay if we did a bible study after their meeting he said it probably wasn't a good idea- sooo :(

Sigh...
things are different and awkward having changed and them not. I just pray I can be a good example and bring glorty to God somehow even thoufhg im home most of the day almost every day

Monday, April 10, 2006

witnessing opportunity

We had bible study at my uncles it was again just a lot of debate between Rick and Alex--- but we pray that it is profitable... but from appearances it doesn't seem to be... Alex really seems convinced of the Trinity and doesn't seem to be budgable? ok i need sleep that doesn't seem like a word even right now-- you know when you're too tired and words don't seem like words? well that's me now.

Wednesday, April 05, 2006

posted to wrong site at first 4-3- 06

I had a discouraging thought the other day about how vain this world is and wondered how I could bring glory at all in my everyday life- but then I remembered that we are to count our tests joy and in everything we do we are to bring glory to the Lord and so my housework (which piles up) and taking care of Tyler can be done in the right attitude to be a witness to others and to bring glory to God because I have this huge responibility of raising Tyler and being a good wife.. well I also realize that I COMPLAIN too much and so I'm going to try to not speak as much-- or at least speak slower to THINK BEFORE I SPEAK so I don't say things I'll regret...

anyway here's today's 2nd reading
Proverbs 13
1 A wise son heareth his father's instruction: but a scorner heareth not rebuke.




---- I was thinking as I was feeding Tyler and he was fussing because he was hungry- he couldn't see that if he just calmed down he'd be able to eat-- parents can see things that are good for there children that sometimes the children can't see- it makes the parent sad that they don't want to hear your reasoning or aren't able to understand your words because they are so caught up in their trouble... likewise I am sure that a similar siutation is being described as this proverb indicates but also more so with God and us-- we are so blinded by ourselves that we don't zee or hear what's best for us that our Father can see-- and sometimes because we don't understand the reasoning behind it we won't obey like Tyler for example-- here he was hungry fussing and in no mood to calm down-- i say calm down tyler be still -- if he could reason it -- that sounds like the opposite of productive to him-- he wants food- now and he needs to let everyone know nad aggressively work to get it--- but had he calmed down he'd have it as soon as he did-- but he can't eat when he's fussing--- i see a lot of similarities in our own lives.

2 A man shall eat good by the fruit of his mouth: but the soul of the transgressors shall eat violence.

3 He that keepeth his mouth keepeth his life: but he that openeth wide his lips shall have destruction.



I didn't even realize that this proverb was in the readings butit reflects what i was saying about me being more cautious with my words
4 The soul of the sluggard desireth, and hath nothing: but the soul of the diligent shall be made fat.


That's true I know that when I don't do anything I am unhappy and complaining but when I work around the house for example I feel much better that I have accoumplished something and have a better perspective
5 A righteous man hateth lying: but a wicked man is loathsome, and cometh to shame.

6 Righteousness keepeth him that is upright in the way: but wickedness overthroweth the sinner.

7 There is that maketh himself rich, yet hath nothing: there is that maketh himself poor, yet hath great riches.


Riches of this world pass and also can consume one's thoughts-- where your treasure is there is your heart..
8 The ransom of a man's life are his riches: but the poor heareth not rebuke.

9 The light of the righteous rejoiceth: but the lamp of the wicked shall be put out.

10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.

11 Wealth gotten by vanity shall be diminished: but he that gathereth by labour shall increase.

12 Hope deferred maketh the heart sick: but when the desire cometh, it is a tree of life.


I am not sure what that really is saying...

13 Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed: but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded.

14 The law of the wise is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.

15 Good understanding giveth favour: but the way of transgressors is hard.

16 Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.

17 A wicked messenger falleth into mischief: but a faithful ambassador is health.

18 Poverty and shame shall be to him that refuseth instruction: but he that regardeth reproof shall be honoured.

19 The desire accomplished is sweet to the soul: but it is abomination to fools to depart from evil.

20 He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.

21 Evil pursueth sinners: but to the righteous good shall be repayed.

22 A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children: and the wealth of the sinner is laid up for the just.

23 Much food is in the tillage of the poor: but there is that is destroyed for want of judgment.

24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

IT all goes back to what is true love... true love isn't flowery or delicate it is strong and willing to stand the storms and do what is unselfish and right it looks for what is ultimately best not necessarily what is easy


25 The righteous eateth to the satisfying of his soul: but the belly of the wicked shall want.



Here is today's 3rd reading

Galatians 3
1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians 4
1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; 2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father. 3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. 9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

12 Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all. 13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first. 14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. 15 Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me. 16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

17 They zealously affect you, but not well; yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them. 18 But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing, and not only when I am present with you.

19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, 20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.

21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

GOd answers prayer

had been praying for a chance to witness because I felt I wasn't much since 1. I was at home all the time 2. I still have hesitation since I feel I don't know enough to answer tough questions 3 I'm not much of a debator...but my neigbors seem to be doing some pretty self damaging things so this morning I asked God to be a witness to people andnot to be afraid about what to say...we aren't supposed to worry about what to sy anyway, right? anyway i turned my cell on and my cousin left a message.. he was joining the police academy soon he said.. i listened fr a while giving general comments but tiptoeing a little-- then i told him why now that I'ma Christadelphian we don't think we should be involved in police or military.. now my cousins had extensixe psych classes so he listened to my responses but he also was analyzing me-- uhhh intimidating!!! anyway so he jumped right to the tougher questions.. we ended up talking about why do bad things happen go children, consequences pf life shaping who you are, God's will/ mans frewwiull/ Satan, death, resurrection, heurarchies, some sins worse than others, forgiveness, what if someone broke into your house and raped you is that gods will, do you forgive them......I tried to quote as much scripture as I could ... he understands that I'm still new to the faith but he commented that my answers seemed vague and took like five min- i told him because when you ask a question like that there area lot of OTHER things that i'd have to establish with that-- but i was trying to answer your question without changing the subject... so on one hand...i felt really happy that God answered my prayer ad gave me that opportunity.. but on the other hand I wonder if I wasn't persuasive enough..... my cousin ended the call on a promising note though he said a debate wa always good amd maybe we can have cofee sometime-- well i don't drink cofee but it sounded like a good idea ( oh btw we had lost contact for years and we don't see each other really) I'll keep praying... any advice for me would be appreciated too


after the call i caught myself wishing my husband was there because hes more eloquent but then he doesn't have the relationship with my cousin that i do

Sunday, April 02, 2006

i read a quote

I read a quote the other day i think it was from lincoln...
saying something to the effect of.. I can see how one can look at the earth and be an atheist but I can't see how one can look at the heavens and say there is no God...

we get so caught up in ourselves that we often take for granted the miracles around us and I know for myself that the sky totally humbles me... a sunset, rise, storm whatever... that is no accident or chance... that's God!